The wrong approach to women’s ordination [video]

I fully support the ordination of woman to the clergy, but this video from the Women’s Ordination Conference is the wrong way to go about it. It’s too bad too because this could have been done so well to such great effect. They discredit themselves in the first 20 seconds when they sing “Don’t listen to St. Paul ’cause I can lead they way”? Seriously, don’t listen to Scripture? Now, I happen to think Scripture can be faithfully read to support women’s ordination, but this is not the way to promote your position.

So, take a look and leave a comment below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0S2WlvNTU8&feature=player_embedded

9 thoughts on “The wrong approach to women’s ordination [video]

  1. I’m with you on this one, Andrew… I support what this video, on the surface, is stating… but I really have problems with their medium (did they HAVE to choose that over-used song?) and with their theology within the medium. There are better ways of posing the discussion than to say “disregard all of the epistles written by Paul where the topic is mentioned”.

    • Truthfully for me it really makes me not want to support them as clergy. What are they teaching in other areas if they can so easily dismiss scripture?

  2. Hey, come on guys, lighten up. First of all, the approach was tongue in cheek. No clergy, female or male, are dismissing Scripture. However, the call to focus on Jesus remains relevant.
    Secondly, it is a little patronising for someone to decide what approach someone else should take in facilitating the ordination of women. There is almost limitless theology supporting the ordination of women. For us the theology is clear, but the resistance from conservatives is clear and no amount of theology moves them to change their stance. Under such an impasse, this matter has moved into the political realm and creative means are always required in politics to get one’s message across. Humour and disobedience are but two of these means.

    • Hi Katie,

      Thanks for your comment and for visiting. I am fully in favour of woman’s ordination and I want them to succeed. I don’t have a problem with using media in any of its forms for the purpose. But the line “don’t listen to St. Paul” was irresponsible.

      And I can point you to plenty of clergy that have no problem “not listening to St. Paul.”

      I really think we are on the same side here, I’m just disagreeing with the video.

      Thanks again for visiting.

      • Ditto from me… the critique about the line “not listening to St. Paul” is that such argument is frequently used by MANY people to support any NUMBER of theological views from women in ministry to sexual morality to family structure to participation in government… basically, if you say, “Disregard Paul”, there’s a LOT of stuff you can simply then say “Well, Jesus didn’t mention it, so it must not be a problem.”

        It’s irresponsible in such a hot-topic to even hint as such a view, tongue-in-cheek as it may be.

        As with Andrew, I agree with the video on the surface… I disagree with the particulars used WITHIN the video… and, quite honestly, I’m rather tired of all the “Call Me Maybe” parodies.. With all the talent in the Christian church, couldn’t we come up with our OWN pop-rock song rather than have to rely on an over-used meme?

    • I generally agree with you. I support creative means and I agree that just talking theology isn’t going to do much for a lot of people (other than us theologian-types). I, like Andrew and Robert, would only be cautious because this video by dismissing St. Paul furthers a common perception that the Bible is clearly opposed to women in leadership. I would much prefer if they could be creative while presenting themselves as allies to Scripture rather than as enemies.

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  4. Thanks for your replies gentlemen. I don’t disagree with your theology or understanding of Scripture or St Paul. I also find strong support for women’s ordination in Scripture. I just believe that there are many ways to skin a cat, and we’re not always going to agree on the finer points of the technique. In the spirit of family and ecumenism, I believe we are called to ignore some things because love is a higher calling than criticism. Primarily we are one body, other distinctions are secondary. Action on this issue requires guts, commitment and bravery, and usually takes place after a lifetime of marginalisation.
    The chief thing is that women should be ordained in our denominations and all efforts, in their imperfection, should be applauded.
    Anyway, you’ll hear no more from me on the matter. Kind regards from Australia where those in Tasmania are suffering terrible bushfires. They last experienced fires like these in 1976, I think.

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